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irmaks said on 11 minutes ago:

Exactly, we can fill any holes we want but until Toews, Keith, Seabrook, sharp will start playing the way they supposed  at least once in a while, it won't help. 

Add Saad to that list...maybe even Panik.

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iknowpuck said on 54 minutes ago:

Add Saad to that list...maybe even Panik.

Yes, thank you, forgot about Saad. Panik was on a original list of passengers from Big-T 

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iknowpuck said on 15 hours ago:

Add Saad to that list...maybe even Panik.

Yeah, I've been extremely disappointed in Saad's play for a while now. I was so ecstatic when we got him back, but he's looked awful for a long stretch.

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Granada said on 2 hours ago:

Yeah, I've been extremely disappointed in Saad's play for a while now. I was so ecstatic when we got him back, but he's looked awful for a long stretch.

Agreed, but I think overall we're a bit stronger with Saad over Panarin.

Because at least Saad has had 1-2 Hossa-like defensive moments.

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LordKOTL said on 5 minutes ago:

Agreed, but I think overall we're a bit stronger with Saad over Panarin.

Because at least Saad has had 1-2 Hossa-like defensive moments.

Yeah, but then again, I think it's still too early to say. I think we will be better overall, in the long run, with Saad over Panarin. I know Saad's a much better two-way player, but his offensive skills in particular have looked God-awful in this stretch. I'm confident he can turn it around though.

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LordKOTL said on 2 hours ago:

Agreed, but I think overall we're a bit stronger with Saad over Panarin.

Because at least Saad has had 1-2 Hossa-like defensive moments.

Yep, as soon as we get into playoffs we will appreciate him more, the only problem it will be hard to make playoffs without Panarin. 

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irmaks said on 2 hours ago:

Yep, as soon as we get into playoffs we will appreciate him more, the only problem it will be hard to make playoffs without Panarin. 

If Saad vs Panarin is the difference between making the playoffs and not making the playoffs, then I think then the Blackhawks need to book the UC for the better part of June, July, and August, invite everyone who purchased a ticket to a home game two 2 fan redemption events per ticket, and have 82 straight days of bag skates of the entire team for the viewing pleasure of the fans who were stiffed by the team failing to do what they were paid to do.

We made the playoffs without Panarin and even without both Panarin and Saad.  Hell, we made the playoffs icing such slugs as Morrison, Bolling, Pisani, Boynton, Cullimore, Barker, Burish, Morin, & Brookbank.

There is no excuse for the team or the core to miss the playoffs.  If the O of Panarin vs. the 2-way of Saad is the balance between making and not making the playoffs, it means the core failed...miserably.

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LordKOTL said on 25 minutes ago:

If Saad vs Panarin is the difference between making the playoffs and not making the playoffs, then I think then the Blackhawks need to book the UC for the better part of June, July, and August, invite everyone who purchased a ticket to a home game two 2 fan redemption events per ticket, and have 82 straight days of bag skates of the entire team for the viewing pleasure of the fans who were stiffed by the team failing to do what they were paid to do.

We made the playoffs without Panarin and even without both Panarin and Saad.  Hell, we made the playoffs icing such slugs as Morrison, Bolling, Pisani, Boynton, Cullimore, Barker, Burish, Morin, & Brookbank.

There is no excuse for the team or the core to miss the playoffs.  If the O of Panarin vs. the 2-way of Saad is the balance between making and not making the playoffs, it means the core failed...miserably.

I think it was our 2nd line within last 2 years , including panarin,  that provided so much offense missing now, that was a difference between making playoffs or not 

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If the don't pull their heads out of their you know where soon they won't have to worry about getting a first round broom job like last year

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I know Murphy has been good on his off side.  I would still like to see him paired with DK as a lock down pair.  That’s not 82’s strength.

DK - Murphy

Forslng/82 - Rutta

Forsling/82 - Seabs/Franson

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LordKOTL said on On ‎12‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 1:54 PM:

If Saad vs Panarin is the difference between making the playoffs and not making the playoffs, then I think then the Blackhawks need to book the UC for the better part of June, July, and August, invite everyone who purchased a ticket to a home game two 2 fan redemption events per ticket, and have 82 straight days of bag skates of the entire team for the viewing pleasure of the fans who were stiffed by the team failing to do what they were paid to do.

We made the playoffs without Panarin and even without both Panarin and Saad.  Hell, we made the playoffs icing such slugs as Morrison, Bolling, Pisani, Boynton, Cullimore, Barker, Burish, Morin, & Brookbank.

There is no excuse for the team or the core to miss the playoffs.  If the O of Panarin vs. the 2-way of Saad is the balance between making and not making the playoffs, it means the core failed...miserably.

agreed

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I've said this before.  Our defensive guys are o.k. until teams get behind them.  They can't catch-up when that happens.  The Hawks D has to keep everyone in front of them or else.  This means, of course, one guy has to be back at all times.  It also means that the D-man taking a chance and going deep offensively must also have the wheels to get back consistently.  IMHO, this is one area where we miss a guy like Hoss.  He covered for our D guys so often when it would have been an odd-man break for the opposition.  This year, due largely to this defensive malady, we especially need Vezina-level CC to cover for the deficiency.  And, I would add, that a guy like Seabs is especially vulnerable these days than he used to be in terms of the defense getting behind him.  He's fine until that happens.  Then, it's "forget it."

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IMO, Ulf has been a great addition to working with this group and has done a GREAT job.  Young/inexperienced players getting it done.

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Sooooooooooooo, it’s safe to say it’s all Seabs fault right? Or maybe Franson? If Seabs sits again, and the boys put up another 8, then it won’t be a joke, it really will be his fault!!!

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Big-T said on Just now:

Sooooooooooooo, it’s safe to say it’s all Seabs fault right? Or maybe Franson? If Seabs sits again, and the boys put up another 8, then it won’t be a joke, it really will be his fault!!!

I didn’t post that.  It’s just nice to see the d-group improve over the course of the season like they have.

Murphy, who you wanted to throw away early on, may be the most improved.  That trade by SB doesn’t look so bad right now, does it?

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Big-T said on 7 minutes ago:

Sooooooooooooo, it’s safe to say it’s all Seabs fault right? Or maybe Franson? If Seabs sits again, and the boys put up another 8, then it won’t be a joke, it really will be his fault!!!

I've been advocating resting the vets for the odd game or two so I have no problems with Seabrook getting a night off. Playing a wounded and demoralized team like the Sens was a perfect opportunity. Against a divisional opponent, maybe not.

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tincup61 said on 1 hour ago:

I've been advocating resting the vets for the odd game or two so I have no problems with Seabrook getting a night off. Playing a wounded and demoralized team like the Sens was a perfect opportunity. Against a divisional opponent, maybe not.

yep. 7 especially should get a night off every 3 weeks or so. I wonder if he plays tomorrow night now? I gotta think he does. 

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iknowpuck said on 9 hours ago:

I didn’t post that.  It’s just nice to see the d-group improve over the course of the season like they have.

Murphy, who you wanted to throw away early on, may be the most improved.  That trade by SB doesn’t look so bad right now, does it?

I’d still move him, I still think he’s overpaid for his true slotting. Remember let’s not get too high on beating teams we’re supposed to!!!

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vadarx said on 10 hours ago:

yep. 7 especially should get a night off every 3 weeks or so. I wonder if he plays tomorrow night now? I gotta think he does. 

I honestly hope he does get back in the lineup. You can afford to sit Seabrook against a cellar-dwellar like the Sens, but in my view, you can't against a divisional opponent just as desperate for points as we are. Our D looked fine last night because the Senators blow

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Granada said on 2 hours ago:

I honestly hope he does get back in the lineup. You can afford to sit Seabrook against a cellar-dwellar like the Sens, but in my view, you can't against a divisional opponent just as desperate for points as we are. Our D looked fine last night because the Senators blow

I fully agree. The Sens suck, and too many around here went all in with that win. It is a nice win to get. Gig said it best that games like that usually didn’t end as well for us earlier.  “Irregardless” of what happened, they’ll need to go .600 the rest of the way to get into the playoffs!!!

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Big-T said on 9 hours ago:

I’d still move him, I still think he’s overpaid for his true slotting. Remember let’s not get too high on beating teams we’re supposed to!!!

IMO, he can be a top 4 with continued development.  If so, his cap hit is about right.  Do you not see his progress or potential to be there?

I'm not too high at all...the Sens are the Sens but they were also coming off of two good wins.  With the way we've been playing, this game could have easy been a grind it out OT win, going 0 for on the PP.  Swig of kool-aid.  That's all.

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Granada said on 7 hours ago:

I honestly hope he does get back in the lineup. You can afford to sit Seabrook against a cellar-dwellar like the Sens, but in my view, you can't against a divisional opponent just as desperate for points as we are. Our D looked fine last night because the Senators blow

Very true...but have you seen this group of question marks get better throughout the course of the season?  If you would have looked at the list of d-men that have played so far, would you have thought they would have played this well?

Hope Seabs is back in tonight.  Going to love to see what he brings!

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iknowpuck said on 15 hours ago:

Very true...but have you seen this group of question marks get better throughout the course of the season?  If you would have looked at the list of d-men that have played so far, would you have thought they would have played this well?

Hope Seabs is back in tonight.  Going to love to see what he brings!

Honestly, it's still an open question for me. I mean, yes, on occasion, certain guys have looked really good out of Forsling, Oesterle, and Rutta -- but, on occasion, those same guys have looked really bad. Last night against the Wild, I thought Oesterle and Forsling didn't looked good; and Forsling lost some of the luster he had a month or so back. The real test for these guys will come in the playoffs -- or at this point (since that's really not a given we make it), big games against divisional opponents in the regular season. I'm encouraged; I'll say that. I think both Forsling and Oesterle are worth retaining and developing; Rutta also, assuming he asks for a fair price -- but ideally, I'd like another number 4 D-man brought in.

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