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hawkinmontreal said on 58 minutes ago:

Jack, to be honest, just watching this team shows they dont care anymore. The fire and drive theses core guys once had have disappeared. CC and Kaner seem to be the only ones with any desire left. 

heck, I'm not even sure about 88 half the time, man. even he looks disinterested pretty often this year...

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welp, time for the boys to sack up and pick up their play. maybe this will end up being a good thing. worked out pretty well in Dec of '14...

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hawkinmontreal said on 1 hour ago:

Jack, to be honest, just watching this team shows they dont care anymore. The fire and drive theses core guys once had have disappeared. CC and Kaner seem to be the only ones with any desire left. 

Yeah, who knows what goes in the heads of those guys; or any athletes.  I was just disappointed because I thought they had been playing better lately and would try hard to take advantage of the home ice advantage against a team that does not play well on the road and was tied with them in the standings.  Then, they get 10 sog in the first 2 periods or 11, or some other minimal number.  I can't figure these guys out. 

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vadarx said on 55 minutes ago:

heck, I'm not even sure about 88 half the time, man. even he looks disinterested pretty often this year...

To be fair, your right Vader. Kaner has been going through the motions as well.

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vadarx said on 1 hour ago:

welp, time for the boys to sack up and pick up their play. maybe this will end up being a good thing. worked out pretty well in Dec of '14...

different team, different goalies but we've done okay w/o crow in the past. (maybe we should just sit crow during december games)

yeah...between dec, 1st to dec. 20th, 2014 when crow hurt his foot at that concert, hawks went 7-1 with darling and raanta splitting the games.

between dec. 3rd and dec. 20th, 2016 when his appendix gave out we went 6-3-1 with darling playing them all.

so...the teams then dug deeper and went 13-4-1. what about this team? who knows, but like you said...there's a real possibility that this could be a good thing.

 

or we could be doomed.   :)

 

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galaxytrash said on 7 minutes ago:

different team, different goalies but we've done okay w/o crow in the past. (maybe we should just sit crow during december games)

yeah...between dec, 1st to dec. 20th, 2014 when crow hurt his foot at that concert, hawks went 7-1 with darling and raanta splitting the games.

between dec. 3rd and dec. 20th, 2016 when his appendix gave out we went 6-3-1 with darling playing them all.

so...the teams then dug deeper and went 13-4-1. what about this team? who knows, but like you said...there's a real possibility that this could be a good thing.

 

or we could be doomed.   :)

 

I'm hoping for the former! 

with Crow standing his head and saving their collective arse as much as he has this season, I am hopeful that maybe this wake some guys up...

although, i should say i am not that hopeful about this weekend's back to back...

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galaxytrash said on 10 minutes ago:

different team, different goalies but we've done okay w/o crow in the past. (maybe we should just sit crow during december games)

yeah...between dec, 1st to dec. 20th, 2014 when crow hurt his foot at that concert, hawks went 7-1 with darling and raanta splitting the games.

between dec. 3rd and dec. 20th, 2016 when his appendix gave out we went 6-3-1 with darling playing them all.

so...the teams then dug deeper and went 13-4-1. what about this team? who knows, but like you said...there's a real possibility that this could be a good thing.

 

or we could be doomed.   :)

 

The Hawks were awesome in 2014, you could of been the goalie Galaxy and things would of been fine, and last year Darling was exceptional and to be honest the team played well during the season until the end and the playoffs.

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hawkinmontreal said on 15 minutes ago:

The Hawks were awesome in 2014, you could of been the goalie Galaxy and things would of been fine, and last year Darling was exceptional and to be honest the team played well during the season until the end and the playoffs.

different team, different goalies....

i did try to make that point HIM.

i was referring more to a teams mindset when a bump in the road like this occurs. (somewhat hopefully)

i understand that if we do play better we won't magically turn into those former squads. more that there's a strong possibility that we will play better as a team and as vadarx said, it could end up being a positive.

 

or we could be doomed.   :)

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jacksalmon said on 6 hours ago:

It will be interesting to see if the rest of the team will step up to help themselves now that Crow will not be there to carry them.  There comes a time when a team has to grow up and leave the nest. 

You make it sound like these guys never accomplished anything jack.

 

 

GO HAWKS!!!!!

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galaxytrash said on 2 hours ago:

different team, different goalies but we've done okay w/o crow in the past. (maybe we should just sit crow during december games)

yeah...between dec, 1st to dec. 20th, 2014 when crow hurt his foot at that concert, hawks went 7-1 with darling and raanta splitting the games.

between dec. 3rd and dec. 20th, 2016 when his appendix gave out we went 6-3-1 with darling playing them all.

so...the teams then dug deeper and went 13-4-1. what about this team? who knows, but like you said...there's a real possibility that this could be a good thing.

 

or we could be doomed.   :)

 

A little adversity could be just what the doctor ordered,I though Forsberg had a solid game in Nashville. If everyone's as worthless as I've heard,it don't matter any way.

Doomed? We're doomed every year,don't you pay attention?

 

GO HAWKS!!!!!

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hsbob said on 50 minutes ago:

You make it sound like these guys never accomplished anything jack.

 

 

GO HAWKS!!!!!

I was just referring to this year's version of the Hawks, which, so far, is quite a bit different version than the earlier versions.  I think this year's version has been somewhat carried by Crawford.  Now would be the time to step it up and show Crow that they can win without him, so that when he comes back they will be a much better team. 

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jacksalmon said on 2 minutes ago:

I was just referring to this year's version of the Hawks, which, so far, is quite a bit different version than the earlier versions.  I think this year's version has been somewhat carried by Crawford.  Now would be the time to step it up and show Crow that they can win without him, so that when he comes back they will be a much better team. 

A lotta hockey left buddy,let's see how they handle this.

 

GO HAWKS!!!!! 

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blkhwks918 said on On 12/8/2017 at 12:46 PM:

CC off IR, Berube back to Rockford.

Thankfully my biggest fears were unfounded...I was worried they rushed Crawford back.  So far he's been solid. 

As of now .932 on the season...not too shabby!

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LordKOTL said on On ‎12‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 1:46 PM:

Thankfully my biggest fears were unfounded...I was worried they rushed Crawford back.  So far he's been solid. 

As of now .932 on the season...not too shabby!

yes..   maybe, finally, the haters will get it...  guys been the most consistent Hawk the last few years..

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davebrau said on 1 hour ago:

yes..   maybe, finally, the haters will get it...  guys been the most consistent Hawk the last few years..

They don't.  We still have eunuchs out there that think (A) Crawford is a product of the team, (B) The shots against him are all easy saves, (C) The team is still bailing him out, (D) that because he's not de-facto #1 in the league (you know, with a 1.000SV% average) he's not worth the 6M.

Granted, most of Crawford's detractors that formulated their stances based on logic have come around, and right now it's mostly just a bunch of trolls and bandwagonners who haven't been laid since the bicentennial and thus have to validate themselves by being stuck in 2012.

I do have to say though, if the Vezina was awarded right now it would go to Vasilevskiy.  His numbers are neck-and-neck with Crawford and he's got more wins, and SA/GP.  Crawford *should* be in second although I could see the GM's giving Rinne, Quick, and Bob Ross a nod over him just because of popularity in spite of lesser stats.

But right now this years there's 2 netminders that you should want backstopping your squad who have been lights-out fantastic in a years where scoring has been tough to come by, Vasilevskiy, and Crawford.

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davebrau said on 1 hour ago:

yup, hes the Rodney Dangerfield of goalies.

its a shame 

Yep.  2 new ones I heard today:

1)  With what Crawford is making he should be top 3 ever year.
Unfortunately this drain on the braintrust failed to realize that Crawford is the 7th best paid netminder *right now*.  Since the cap era, for the top 31 goalies, he ranks 6th in SV%.  His contract is in-line with his output.

2)  Proof that Crawford sucks is he "Choked" in the 2011, 2012, 2014, 2016, and 2017 playoffs.
While there is some (and I mean *some*) validity to him choking in 2012, every other year, even if he wasn't 100% in those playoffs, there were guys above his paygrade that failed much, much harder.
So, If we take the perfectly good waste of an orgasm who said this at face value, then, by that logic, every core member sucks.  I could disseminate how, in all of those years by not winning the cup, one or more core member *not* named Crawford choked; but we can just look at 2017 as an example.  Just because Toews, Kane, Seabrook, Keith, etc. all had a bad playoff (and Crawford's wasn't exactly good), doesn't mean they suck. 

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LordKOTL said on 7 hours ago:

They don't.  We still have eunuchs out there that think (A) Crawford is a product of the team, (B) The shots against him are all easy saves, (C) The team is still bailing him out, (D) that because he's not de-facto #1 in the league (you know, with a 1.000SV% average) he's not worth the 6M.

Granted, most of Crawford's detractors that formulated their stances based on logic have come around, and right now it's mostly just a bunch of trolls and bandwagonners who haven't been laid since the bicentennial and thus have to validate themselves by being stuck in 2012.

I do have to say though, if the Vezina was awarded right now it would go to Vasilevskiy.  His numbers are neck-and-neck with Crawford and he's got more wins, and SA/GP.  Crawford *should* be in second although I could see the GM's giving Rinne, Quick, and Bob Ross a nod over him just because of popularity in spite of lesser stats.

But right now this years there's 2 netminders that you should want backstopping your squad who have been lights-out fantastic in a years where scoring has been tough to come by, Vasilevskiy, and Crawford.

I know where/what applies to me, and where/what doesn't...and I'm good with that.  

I was not a CC fan.  Lots of reasons.  I am now.  Lots of reasons.  I think this is the best and most complete he has been in his career and he is doing it behind a team that hasn't been at it's best on most nights.  (A), (B), (C) and (D) are definitely not up for debate right now.  Some were in previous years.

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iknowpuck said on On 12/15/2017 at 2:23 PM:

I know where/what applies to me, and where/what doesn't...and I'm good with that.  

I was not a CC fan.  Lots of reasons.  I am now.  Lots of reasons.  I think this is the best and most complete he has been in his career and he is doing it behind a team that hasn't been at it's best on most nights.  (A), (B), (C) and (D) are definitely not up for debate right now.  Some were in previous years.

So far I'd say either this season on 2013 was his best...but we gotta let this year play out to be sure.  The major difference was in 2013 EVERYONE was good and solid.  This year we can't really say that.  This year (much like 2016 IMHO) Crawford *has* to be good for the team to have a shot.  2013 Crawford was good, but since everyone else was it kinda masks the "what if he wasn't?" because like 2010, the team could have carried a lesser goalie.

Not so much this year (or 2016 IMO).

I do agree that there's a lot to be said about where exactly A, B, C, and D stopped being up for debate in a positive way, and thus lies the disagreement about him in the past.  I personally say it should have been either 2015 (with him picking up his 2nd Jennings behind a porous D) or 2016.  Some don't because they feel that Crawford was milquetoast 1st round against Nashville (even though I think that's more on the D not showing up and Darling playing out of his mind for a couple of games), or that Crawford fizzled out in the 2016 playoffs.  That's not who I'm railing against.  Fans like you may have been a detractor before but your arguments were founded on solid premises that you could explain, even if not all of us Crawford supporters agreed :).

Right now I think if anyone can't see that Crawford is a solid goaltender that gives the team a fair chance night/in-night/out, they're either trolling, not a real fan, or seriously needs to watch and learn about the game.

And yet there are still people out there that post about how bad and mediocre he is right now...Either they're smoking something or haven't been laid since the bicentennial and they're taking it out by railing on Crawford online.

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LordKOTL said on 12 minutes ago:

So far I'd say either this season on 2013 was his best...but we gotta let this year play out to be sure.  The major difference was in 2013 EVERYONE was good and solid.  This year we can't really say that.  This year (much like 2016 IMHO) Crawford *has* to be good for the team to have a shot.  2013 Crawford was good, but since everyone else was it kinda masks the "what if he wasn't?" because like 2010, the team could have carried a lesser goalie.

Not so much this year (or 2016 IMO).

I do agree that there's a lot to be said about where exactly A, B, C, and D stopped being up for debate in a positive way, and thus lies the disagreement about him in the past.  I personally say it should have been either 2015 (with him picking up his 2nd Jennings behind a porous D) or 2016.  Some don't because they feel that Crawford was milquetoast 1st round against Nashville (even though I think that's more on the D not showing up and Darling playing out of his mind for a couple of games), or that Crawford fizzled out in the 2016 playoffs.  That's not who I'm railing against.  Fans like you may have been a detractor before but your arguments were founded on solid premises that you could explain, even if not all of us Crawford supporters agreed :).

Right now I think if anyone can't see that Crawford is a solid goaltender that gives the team a fair chance night/in-night/out, they're either trolling, not a real fan, or seriously needs to watch and learn about the game.

And yet there are still people out there that post about how bad and mediocre he is right now...Either they're smoking something or haven't been laid since the bicentennial and they're taking it out by railing on Crawford online.

Happens after every goal he let's in.   WHY OH WHY CAN'T HE JUST HAVE 98 SHUTOUTS FOR THE SEASON ? Then and only then will he be an elite GT otherwise he is a sieve collecting way too much money for his services :D 

 

Maybe Santa can leave them a lady of the evening under their tree ;)

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LordKOTL said on 11 hours ago:

So far I'd say either this season on 2013 was his best...but we gotta let this year play out to be sure.  The major difference was in 2013 EVERYONE was good and solid.  This year we can't really say that.  This year (much like 2016 IMHO) Crawford *has* to be good for the team to have a shot.  2013 Crawford was good, but since everyone else was it kinda masks the "what if he wasn't?" because like 2010, the team could have carried a lesser goalie.

Not so much this year (or 2016 IMO).

I do agree that there's a lot to be said about where exactly A, B, C, and D stopped being up for debate in a positive way, and thus lies the disagreement about him in the past.  I personally say it should have been either 2015 (with him picking up his 2nd Jennings behind a porous D) or 2016.  Some don't because they feel that Crawford was milquetoast 1st round against Nashville (even though I think that's more on the D not showing up and Darling playing out of his mind for a couple of games), or that Crawford fizzled out in the 2016 playoffs.  That's not who I'm railing against.  Fans like you may have been a detractor before but your arguments were founded on solid premises that you could explain, even if not all of us Crawford supporters agreed :).

Right now I think if anyone can't see that Crawford is a solid goaltender that gives the team a fair chance night/in-night/out, they're either trolling, not a real fan, or seriously needs to watch and learn about the game.

And yet there are still people out there that post about how bad and mediocre he is right now...Either they're smoking something or haven't been laid since the bicentennial and they're taking it out by railing on Crawford online.

IMHO, CC is better now than even 2013 (including the Connie-worthy playoff version).  He is better in at least three significant goalie expectations. 

They are:

1. His glove hand was ok and sometimes even suspect then. It's superior now. 

2. He's miles better in terms of puck-handling. 

3. He's a better tracker of those long shots wherein somebody's standing right in front of him. 

I would add that his "choking up" on the paddle has really proven effective when the action is serious and tight.  He's in full control and is using it in all kinds of ways.

Right now, he is Vezina-worthy and could be in the running for the Hart if the Hawks continue their resurgence.  

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Creature1958 said on 11 minutes ago:

Happens after every goal he let's in.   WHY OH WHY CAN'T HE JUST HAVE 98 SHUTOUTS FOR THE SEASON ? Then and only then will he be an elite GT otherwise he is a sieve collecting way too much money for his services :D 

 

Maybe Santa can leave them a lady of the evening under their tree ;)

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Creature1958 said on 3 hours ago:

Happens after every goal he let's in.   WHY OH WHY CAN'T HE JUST HAVE 98 SHUTOUTS FOR THE SEASON ? Then and only then will he be an elite GT otherwise he is a sieve collecting way too much money for his services :D 

 

Maybe Santa can leave them a lady of the evening under their tree ;)

The part that gets me though is that scrutiny isn't always even-handed.  If we expect perfection out of Crawford, we should expect perfection from ever core player.  If it's okay to excuse a core player for lack of results because of lack of quality personnel, then it should be okay to excuse Crawford for lack of result because of lack of quality personnel.  After all, Crawford is playing behind the same guys (and this year bailing them out at a better clip than 2016), that are dragging the skater core down (assuming of course that, like has been thrown around, there's no issues with the skater core :rolleyes:).

We're not going to get perfection anywhere within the lineup; net or otherwise.  No team has gone 82-0-0 and the best a starting netminder to my knowledge has ever done was Thomas' .938 in 2011.  Criticism is a part of fandom but IMHO you gotta compliment as well as criticize.  No matter who your goat is (read goat, not GoAT), if they are helping the 'hawks win it's a good thing.

And Crawford has done that in spades since the start of the 2013 season; his career numbers prove it.

 

GigECJ said on 3 hours ago:

IMHO, CC is better now than even 2013 (including the Connie-worthy playoff version).  He is better in at least three significant goalie expectations. 

They are:

1. His glove hand was ok and sometimes even suspect then. It's superior now. 

2. He's miles better in terms of puck-handling. 

3. He's a better tracker of those long shots wherein somebody's standing right in front of him. 

I would add that his "choking up" on the paddle was really proven effective when the action is serious and tight.  He's in full control and is using it in all kinds of ways.

Right now, he is Vezina-worthy and could be in the running for the Hart if the Hawks continue their resurgence.  

In terms of eye-test.  I agree.  The real test will be after all is said and done.  The benchmark is a .929 (and right now Crawford sits at .935).  Crawford can keep this up and be in the top-3 for the Vezina, or the bottom could fall out.  Still a ton of hockey to be played.

And even if he does manage to win the Vezina, I'm sure some wastes of a perfectly good Saturday Night will try to negate it. :P

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