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  1. Stan As Gm

    Not really, Granada. There is a big difference between growing up in the upper-middle class and the truly privileged communities. Kane might have come from some money if the car dealership in Buffalo was prosperous. But of course, how we define money and privilege is very relative. Is Kane's father a multi-millionaire, or is he merely comfortable? Kane seems to have matured in the past few years perhaps because of the influence of the other core guys. He also spent some time in his youth living on his own abroad, playing in the CHL. I know an older Eastern European Immigrant woman who took in several OHL players as tenants for years to supplement her meagre income. She lives alone, and she works in a coffee shop as a server. Do the college kids emerging from the USDP as a general rule get to meet these types of people (other than as the hired help)? Do they get to experience how most of the rest of the world lives, or do they tend to be pampered and sheltered?
  2. Joel Quenneville

    This is exactly true. These boys have brought us a lot of joy. I do not really get the personal attacks on the core guys or their salaries.
  3. Stan As Gm

    Certainly the transition is well under way at least in the development leagues. Most of the core guys on the present roster right now come from more modest backgrounds. So does the coach. We will see moving forward what the composition of NHL rosters look like regarding socio-economic backgrounds. If I am running the show, I would avoid for the most part the wealthier kids.
  4. Stan As Gm

    With privilege should come responsibility. I don't see it very often from the wealthy, especially these days as income equality levels rise beyond any time in history. I do see selfishness, entitlement and a sense of superiority. Hayden might be different. Who knows? He is big, and he is tough. But does he care about anyone but himself? We will see.
  5. Joel Quenneville

    Getting "up" for meaningless games has been a problem for this core group since 2008. We all know that. They are going to need to find a way to adjust how they approach these games moving forward.
  6. Stan As Gm

    Given Hayden's socio-economic background, I am concerned that he might not have what it takes. I recognize, however, that not everyone who comes from privilege is exactly the same. Hayden is the only player the Hawks have with size right now. Let's hope he is different and rises above the stereotype. Moving forward, I hope the team diversifies where it gets its players and follows the rest of the league in selecting more players from the CHL.
  7. Joel Quenneville

    My feeling is that the core players have largely been coasting this year, especially since Crawford became injured. They are smart and talented players, but they will not break a sweat without incentive or cause.
  8. Stan As Gm

    We have discussed our music heroes. Nobody who grew up on a steady diet of the Faces and the Sex Pistols does not have a little bit of an anarchist streak in them somewhere. Eat the rich!!
  9. Stan As Gm

    I do also believe those who come from wealthy backgrounds (in both countries) tend to be soft and selfish and avoid personal responsibility. In the words of the great writer, F. Scott Fitzgerald: “Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand. They think, deep in their hearts, that they are better than we are because we had to discover the compensations and refuges of life for ourselves. Even when they enter deep into our world or sink below us, they still think that they are better than we are. They are different. ”
  10. Stan As Gm

    My favorite player is Dustin Byfuglien. He is American. This has nothing to do with Nationalism. it has to do with an approach to developing players and my distaste for the upper class.
  11. Stan As Gm

    It is becoming that way, certainly. If you go back a few pages in the thread, you'll find links to some great articles about this very topic. The extreme wealthy families with their heightened buying power (and ability to pay for ice time/off-ice training/equipment/tournaments etc.) have crowded out even the upper middle class in many of the suburban leagues. Most parents don't have either the time or money to invest in their kids to compete with the rich kids. There are still some kids (the natural athletes) coming from the small towns and farms, but not nearly as many as a generation ago. It is sad.
  12. Stan As Gm

    Surely you recognize that you reducing (in fact, misrepresenting) what I am arguing and making sweeping generalizations yourself. I never wrote that all American college players are soft. I did write that the college system and especially the USDS is a softer route and is not grooming tough-minded kids.. I never wrote that all Canadian kids are underprivileged. I did write that the CHL environment is a much harder league to play in and it toughens kids up, both American and Canadian. Of course, there will be exceptions to every pattern. There will be very wealthy American kids groomed in the college system who play a tough and unselfish brand of hockey. There will be soft players coming from the CHL - many of them, even the poor farm kids. The environment where a player grows up in and develops does play a large formative role in building character and outlook. By the time Coach Quenneville gets his hands on the clay, the sculpture is already pretty much dry. Biscuit - I don't think anyone really supports "beatings" any longer. Surely there is a difference between "living in squalor" and living in the pampered conditions some of these modern players grow up in. Basic training is still tough, and it still requires adjusting to fairly spartan living conditions. The soldiers are still "broken down" and rebuilt.... even if they are no longer cleaning latrines with toothbrushes. I do not see too many Lincoln and Lexus SUVs in the parking lots at the local base. The parking lot is full of them at the off-season training centres for hockey players in the suburbs behind the gated communities. I wonder how many of our new players are getting pedicures and manicures between games.
  13. 3/22 Hawks vs Canucks

    Now that's a lineup to strike fear in the opponent.
  14. Joel Quenneville

    The parade of "talent" attempting to replace Crawford has been beyond dreadful (by far the worse in the game). The "talent" on defence (beyond Seabrook and Keith) surely can't be considered entirely NHL calibre either by any stretch (how is Oesterle still playing?). This collection of forwards surely is the smallest and weakest in my lifetime. I don't see much "talent" here either beyond the top six. No change in coach or in strategy rights this ship. With some real support from the front office, I strongly suspect you would see more "motivation, effort, interest, urgency......and leadership" from both the core and the coaching staff. There has not been any, which is why the entire team packed it in early following the lead of their general manager.
  15. Stan As Gm

    This is exactly what I think. The CHL happens to be in Canada, for the most part. Many high end American and European kids develop in these leagues as well. The leagues are tough to play in. The lifestyle is difficult. These kids live with host boarders who often are taking the kids in to supplement their meagre incomes. Players who graduate from these leagues - rich or poor - have persevered through challenges on their own to become men. The college kids (especially the American players) tend to stay home with their parents longer. They are provided with everything they could possibly need through the USDP. The players grow up - sort of - at university in a very protected and cocooned environment. I believe blue collar/small town kids play because they love the game. The rich kids are often following their helicopter parents' dreams and not their own. Teams that are successful are built around tough-minded hockey players who are passionate about what they do.